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Grade this 1 para - Montenegro 1906
by Deagle74 on 22 Jan, 2010 07:23
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Hi all! This is not (jet) my coin - and these are the sellers pics. It's a very nice Montenegro para from 1906 (200.000 minted) - you can get them in unc condition - but I believe this must be one of the nicest examples out there. I saw one sold on Heritage for 79$, graded by NGC 64 MS RD. Can this baby beat this - could this one be MS 65 or even MS66?? Is there a possibility to get this grade f. e. from PCGS. You all have lots of PCGS submissions (i have never submitt a coin for grading). I will appreciate your opinion?? Thanx, Rok P.S. Oh yes - the seller asks 80€, (approx. 112$), and I believe this is a bit pricey.
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Reply #1
by Zantetsuken on 22 Jan, 2010 08:51
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Hi all!
This is not (jet) my coin - and these are the sellers pics. It's a very nice Montenegro para from 1906 (200.000 minted) - you can get them in unc condition - but I believe this must be one of the nicest examples out there. I saw one sold on Heritage for 79$, graded by NCG 64 MS RD. Can this baby beat this - could this one be MS 65 or even MS66?? Is there a possibility to get this grade f. e. from PCGS. You all have lots of PCGS submissions (i have never submitt a coin for grading).
I will appreciate your opinion??
Thanx, Rok
P.S. Oh yes - the seller asks 80€, (approx. 112$), and I believe this is a bit pricey.
Hi 'Deagle', welcome aboard. It's often difficult to give grading from photos and I'm not an expert on grading, but this indeed a beautiful looking coin and would rank a BU (my opinion only). Krause's catalog only lists Unc and BU (Brilliant Uncirculated). Unc. lists for $90 USD, while BU doesn't show a price. This being said, 80 EU ($112 USD) is not so unreasonable, but this is just my opinion. You should, however, have a professional grade this to get a better idea. PCGS and others do alot of splitting hairs with grading (MS-64, MS-65 etc.). These grades are typically used for U.S. coins, and is a bit over my head when determining this. I hope this helped. Good luck. ~Daniel.
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Reply #2
by Deagle74 on 22 Jan, 2010 10:54
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by Zantetsuken on 22 Jan, 2010 11:07
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Thank you Daniel, you are probably right.
Here is a link to specimen from Heritage auction - graded MS64 - this may help.
http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=69091&Lot_No=61164
Thanx, Rok
Thanks for the link Rok. In all honesty, I don't know if the MS-64 and MS-65 are legitimate grades, or just a handjob to get more money. Maybe it's a little of both. In any case, I go simply go by XF, AU or Unc. for the higher grades. It's simpler that way. Again this is just my opinion. ~Daniel.
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Reply #4
by mmarotta on 28 Sep, 2010 16:01
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I am interested in the legend k?ashevina Shrna Gora -- is that right?
CRNA GORA is the modern name for Montenegro, so I assume this means "Kingdom of White Mountain."
I am pretty good at languages, but this has me stumped.
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Reply #5
by coinsarefun on 28 Sep, 2010 17:12
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I'm going to have to agree with Daniel here. It appears, in the images to be about BU.....IMO Nice coin
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Reply #6
by BCNumismatics on 02 Oct, 2010 21:30
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I am interested in the legend k?ashevina Shrna Gora -- is that right?
CRNA GORA is the modern name for Montenegro, so I assume this means "Kingdom of White Mountain."
I am pretty good at languages, but this has me stumped.
Mike, Montenegro was a principality prior to 1910,when Prince Nicholas became King Nicholas I of Montenegro. In both Montenegrin & Serbian,the word for 'Prince' is 'Knyaz',& 'King' is 'Kral'. Have a read here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_I_of_Montenegro . Aidan.
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Reply #7
by Deagle74 on 03 Oct, 2010 03:09
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CRNA GORA is the modern name for Montenegro, so I assume this means "Kingdom of White Mountain."
I am pretty good at languages, but this has me stumped.
crna = negro = black (not white)
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Reply #8
by BCNumismatics on 03 Oct, 2010 16:13
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Rok, The name 'Montenegro' is in itself derived from either Italian or the Venetian language.
Aidan.
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