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US Coins, World Coins, and More => World and Ancient Coins, Conder tokens and medals => Topic started by: coinsarefun on September 23, 2010, 05:40:46 PM
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Man, I really hate all the garbage that flickr now stuffs into the links. Can't a guy just get some code to show a pic without all the BS? This was a Bill McKivor bargain bin token.....I was very happy for only 25 buckeroos. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48858607@N04/4573123086/#)](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3345/4573123086_351517cd15.jpg)[/url]
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/48858607@N04/4573123086/#)
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"Conders" -- British Provincials -- solved a critical problem and did so via the free market in a competitive context. The tokens celebrated Enlightenment themes and commercial culture. I recommend highly: Good Money: Birmingham Button Makers, the Royal Mint, and the Beginnings of Modern Coinage, 1775-1821 by George Anthony Selgin.
Newton: Middlesex, D&H 1053; 10.21 grams; edge: "PAYABLE IN LONDON BRISTOL & LANCASTER"
Spaniel: Middlesex, D&H750; 12.3 grams;
Obv: "MUCH GRATITUDE BRINGS SERVITUDE" (Spaniel trotting left)
Rev: "WE WERE BORN FREE AND WILL NEVER DIE SLAVES" (Caduceus topped with Crown, Pileus at base.)
edge:"SPINCK * DEALER * IN * COINS * LONDON"
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Man, I really hate all the garbage that flickr now stuffs into the links. Can't a guy just get some code to show a pic without all the BS? This was a Bill McKivor bargain bin token.....I was very happy for only 25 buckeroos. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48858607@N04/4573123086/#)](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3345/4573123086_351517cd15.jpg)[/url]
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/48858607@N04/4573123086/#)
You do know that you can have unlimted store here
on our site eith no hassles, one of the benefits of being a member :)
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(http://www.flickr.com/photos/48858607@N04/4573123086/#)](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3345/4573123086_351517cd15.jpg)[/url]
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/48858607@N04/4573123086/#)
You do know that you can have unlimted store here
on our site eith no hassles, one of the benefits of being a member :)
Thanks, will have to do some image migrating from flickr....don't have the original files anymore. I also have to second MMarotta's recommendation of George Selgin's book Good Money. It is an excellent resource for those interested in Conders!
This one's a repeat but it's among my favs so...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/4610117236_34cb2ffbbc.jpg)
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Norfolk Norwich
"More Trade and Fewer Taxes"
"Prosperity to Old England"
edge: "Richard Tinmore & Son" (?)
9.16 grams
D&H 23b (no date)
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Those are very nice coins that you have got there.
Keep them coming please!
Aidan.
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Hampshire: D&H 30.A.113: "Earl Howe Wooden Walls" Half Penny.
Edge: "Payable in Lancaster London or Bristol."
Admiral Richard Howe was the middle of three who served with high honor. His older brother, George was killed at Ticonderoga in the French-Indian Wars. As the Revolution opened, he and his younger brother, William, were appointed to negotiate with the colonists but his sympathies with them displeased the crown.
On the outbreak of the War of the First Coalition against France in 1793, he was again given command of the Channel fleet. The following year would be the greatest of his career, including the victory of the "Glorious First of June".[1] Although now nearly seventy years old, Howe displayed a tactical originality uncommon in such a veteran. Howe's active service ended after the campaign, but he continued to hold nominal command of the Channel Fleet by the king's decree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Howe,_1st_Earl_Howe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Howe,_1st_Earl_Howe)
During the battle, Howe defied naval convention by ordering his fleet to turn towards the French and for each of his vessels to rake and engage their immediate opponent. This unexpected order was not understood by all of his captains, and as a result his attack was more piecemeal than he intended. Nevertheless, his ships inflicted a severe tactical defeat on the French fleet. ... In the immediate aftermath both sides claimed victory and the outcome of the battle was seized upon by the press of both nations as a demonstration of the prowess and bravery of their respective navies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_First_of_June (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_First_of_June)
"The Wooden Walls" is an allusion to the Athenian fleet that defeated the Persians at Salamis. Before the second Persian invasion, Themistocles had argued for the building of a navy. When the Delphic Oracle predicted that Athens would be saved by "wooden walls" Themistocles interpreted this to indicate the ships. (The Spartans argued for a wall across the Isthmus of Corinth.)
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Here's a scarce to rare Conder Token, a threepence token.
This is one of the finest known examples remaining.
I found out that 'marle,' rather than a type of peat as I suspected,
is actually a sedimentary rock or soil made up of calcium and lime.
It was used extensively as a fertilizer.
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Larrymo123/after%208-9-09/GreatWroxham12-up1024.jpg)
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Larry,
Those are very nice coins,especially the 3d. one.
The only 3d. that occasionally turns up is the Birmingham Workhouse 3d. dated 1813,of which I have got 2 examples of.One is misaligned.
Aidan.
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Middlesex D&H #1012E
Erskine and Gibbs: Magna Carta / Bill of Rights
OBVERSE: Two barristers standing, holding a label, inscribed "BILL OF RIGHTS." Another label has "MAGNA CHARTA" INSCRIBED. Erskine and gibbs and trial by jury. REVERSE: T. HARDY I. H. TOOKE T. HOLCRAFT. I. A. BONNEY. J. JOYCE. S. KID. J. THELWALL (The Honourable Henry Erskine: lord advocate for Scotland with notices of ... By Alexander Fergusson. Blackwood and Son, Edinburgh and London, 1882. page 402 via Google Books)
Two men (in advocates' gowns, the figure to the right probably Erskine)..." for the enterprising and socially-minded lawyer there was a name (and a living) to be made in conducting the defence of such radicals. For two such counsels, Thomas Erskine and Vicary Gibbs, the possibility of spreading this reputation (and availability) through tokens also appealed. The below piece is for the most part a celebration of their skill at the bar and the rights of the free man at English law (the banners that the two lawyers hold read 'MAGNA CHARTA' and 'BILL OF RIGHTS'), listing those successfully defended, but it definitely served as advertising too. ("Tokens of Revolution: The Propaganda Coins of Thomas Spence and his Contemporaries," The Fitzwilliam Museum,
http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/dept/coins/exhibitions/spence/index.html (http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/dept/coins/exhibitions/spence/index.html))
John Horne-Tooke
The government had been alarmed by the rapid growth of the ‘corresponding societies’ founded by Thomas Hardy (1752-1832). These societies had circulated Paine's writings, had been in communication with the French revolutionary leaders, and had organised the ‘convention’ which met in Edinburgh in 1793. Horne Tooke's ‘Society for Constitutional Information’ had co-operated to some extent with them; while the whig society called the ‘Friends of the People’ endeavoured to keep the agitation within safe limits. Joseph Gerrald and others had been most severely punished for their proceedings in Scotland, and Horne Tooke was likely to find that his playing at treason would turn out awkwardly. Other arrests were made, and the proceedings began by the trial of Hardy. Hardy's trial, however, resulted in an acquittal (5 November 1794). The government foolishly persisted, and Horne Tooke was placed at the bar on 17 November charged with high treason. He was defended by Erskine and Vicary Gibbs, but took an active part himself in examining witnesses and arguing various points of law. The letter from Joyce was explained, and the only ground for suspicion was the prisoner's relations with the corresponding societies. Chief-justice Eyre tried the case with conspicuous fairness, and the jury almost instantly returned a verdict of ‘not guilty’ on 22 November.
http://www.historyhome.co.uk/people/horne-t.htm (http://www.historyhome.co.uk/people/horne-t.htm)
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Here's a couple of mine;
Scotland - Burntisland Vitriol Co. 1797 1/2 Penny.
Wales - Parys Mining Company 1787 1 Penny.
Photos are also up on http://www.allnumis.com (http://www.allnumis.com) as well.
Please let me know what you think.
Aidan.
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Hi Aidan,
Its really difficult to judge by scans :(
Do you ever use a camera for your coin images?
If you do I bet they would look really great and everyone would be able to see them clearer :)
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(http://www.coinsarefun.com/forum/MGalleryItem.php?id=628)
1797 Aylesbury D&H 12 Francis Wheeler’s cypher An Archer
(http://www.coinsarefun.com/forum/MGalleryItem.php?id=490)
Middlesex D&H 180: National Series - 1789 George III Silver "Penny" Medallion
(http://www.coinsarefun.com/forum/MGalleryItem.php?id=761)
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Hi Aidan,
Its really difficult to judge by scans :(
Do you ever use a camera for your coin images?
If you do I bet they would look really great and everyone would be able to see them clearer :)
Stefanie,
I use my Canon CanoScan LiDE 25 flat-bed scanner,as I don't have a camera.
I then use http://www.photoscape.org (http://www.photoscape.org) to edit the photos & combine them in the same frame.
Even I have noticed that the photos appear quite bubbly,but there is nothing I can do to eliminate this.
Try clicking on the photos themselves to enlarge them.
Aidan.
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Awesome tokens here, and some familiar folks too.
Here is one of my favorites.
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Never saw this one before - cool token Moonshadow and welcome to the CRF!! [url=http://www.freesmileys.or
Rok
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Awesome tokens here, and some familiar folks too.
Here is one of my favorites.
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss227/Moonshadow-/Conder%20Tokens/77967805combinedenhcolorflatdimHR.jpg[/img]](http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss227/Moonshadow-/Conder%20Tokens/77967805combinedenhcolorflatdimHR.jpg) (http://[img width=1000 height=481)
Welcome aboard!
Is this a 1/2 Penny from Scotland?
The motto 'NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET' suggests that it is from somewhere in Scotland.
Either way,that is a very nice coin.
Aidan.
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Thanks for the nice welcome. The lion token is a penny, and very thick. It is Warwickshire Kempson DH20. I believe the Latin text would translate "No one harms me with impunity".
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That's a nice one Moonshadow :ThumbsUp;
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Beautiful D&H20 and a big :Welcome; to the forum
Stefanie
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Welcome to coinsarefun, Moonshadow.
I've seen your token before and think it's a nifty issue, and a nice example of its type.
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This is a Mary Lambe token. She and her son were in the coffee and spices business.
This Conder Token exhibits some weakness of strike in the center of the reverse,
not uncommon among Conders, and quite typical of this series, imho,
with metal going to the higher relief camel on the obverse.
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Larrymo123/Camel-800.gif)
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Larry,
That is a very nice coin that you have got there.
Is it a Farthing or a 1/2 Penny?
Aidan.
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This one is a halfpenny, Aidan, Somersetshire, Bath 50.
I also have another halfpenny, a DH50c and a one penny token, DH-8.
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The Aylesbury DH12 archer token posted by Coinsarefun is fantastic. I've never seen one of those before.
Here is a common variety (Yorkshire DH 63), always one of my favorites.
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The Aylesbury DH12 archer token posted by Coinsarefun is fantastic. I've never seen one of those before.
Here is a common variety (Yorkshire DH 63), always one of my favorites.
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That is one very nice coin that you have got there.I bought one of these in a postal auction nearly 2 years ago,but mine is not as good as this.
Aidan.
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Occasionally a lower grade token catches my eye.
This token came along with one my Blofield pieces in my last order from England.
Graded VF by the seller, I really like it, especially its obverse with the stag, in spite of some rust spots on the obverse die in about 6 areas.
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Larrymo123/After%2012-6-10/Picture3-3.png)
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Larry,
That's another very nice coin that you have got there.
Aidan.
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All great ones posted here......lets keep it going
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u312/coinarefun/Conder%20Tokens/SpencesDH1110farthingscarce.png)
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You guys really know what you are doing. Wonderful post!
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All great ones posted here......lets keep it going
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u312/coinarefun/Conder%20Tokens/SpencesDH1110farthingscarce.png)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u312/coinarefun/Conder%20Tokens/SuffolkDH35.jpg)
Stefanie,
Those are very nice coins that you have got there.
Aidan.
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Nice Conder Tokens, Stefanie.
The Pain and Pandora token is unusual with one side not so funny, and the other side very funny.
Can you please explain all of those objects beneath the breeches?
Your Conder Conder is exceptional. I like the small flaming red areas of mint luster, Free of problems, too. : )
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I have more information on this but its not currently handy. The design below the breeches is said to be the head of Dr. Joseph Priestly on the body of a snake, being severed by a dagger. Samuel/Bell say that maybe the artist was implying Priestly was in part responsible for the attempt to set fire to the House of Commons (1792) ....using a pair of breeches packed with flammable material. The pants were apparently found on fire in a 'water closet.'
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So those may have been the first 'hot pants.'
Thanks, Mike. That's not what I was thinking, but I can now see the head plainly with the nose pointed downward. : )