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US Coins, World Coins, and More => US Coins, tokens and medals => Topic started by: 1863cwt on August 25, 2009, 08:43:05 AM
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Hello, my name is Dan. I'm in my early 20's. I just joined coinsarefun after seeing it on coinzip. I have been looking around and this site is great. ;D
I collect Civil War tokens, also I have most of the Lincoln cents (only need the easy ones now), and I'm thinking of getting back into C.S.A. currency after having sold my collection (why do we sell? we just go back and re-purchase?) So basicly I love Civil War history as you should be able to tell! :)
I am also a full time dealer. I enjoy working with kids and adults who are looking to have fun with coins, I want to teach them about numismatics. I study, and deal in ALL areas so I can talk coins, tokens, medals, and paper money with almost everyone. If I don't know the answer I have TONS of books on all subjects to look up the answers. I have fun in my line of work.
I look forward to hearing from all of you, and learning new things from you!
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Hi Dan and a big welcome to our forum. There are a few members here that love CWT's as
well as HTT's.
I hope you like it here and we can all learn more ;) :)
Here are a few of mine for just for you
Stefanie
Here is a link to the full size imagehttp://i32.tinypic.com/27ybozr.jpg (http://i32.tinypic.com/27ybozr.jpg)
(http://i32.tinypic.com/27ybozr.jpg)
And a South token :)
Even though it was made in the North :D
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u312/coinarefun/Tokens/d41b9513.jpg)
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Thanks Stefanie! You have some GREAT looking tokens. I can tell that you do not just buy the first token you see, but look for choice ones.
The first picture you posted with "America's Civil War 1861-1865", you should have a poster printed of that and sell them! That is so cool and I would love to hang one of them up in my office! :)
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Check out the "giveaway" section here on the boards
and enter to win a free one :)
If you don't like all the tokens I can adjust the poster and give
just a CWT poster.
Stefanie
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Welcome aboard,Dan!
Stefanie,your 1c. currency token from the Confederate States of America is one of the closest things to coins that the Confederate States of America ever had.It could be quite rare.
You should invite Larry who posts up on Coinzip to post up photos of his currency tokens on here.
Aidan.
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Lets see some of those CWT's that you collect Dan :)
I know this one is fairly common but I always liked the design ;)
Typical weak strike in the center on both sides
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u312/coinarefun/Tokens/96aa03cf.jpg)
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WOW!! Those are amazing.... You're gonna make go to collecting those little beauties.. C:-)
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Welcome and glad to see a fellow cwt/htt collector. Heres a couple of mine
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(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp136/Delmag_photos/IMG_6483.jpg)
(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp136/Delmag_photos/IMG_6491.jpg)
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(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp136/Delmag_photos/IMG_1211.jpg)
(http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp136/Delmag_photos/IMG_1216.jpg)
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Well I have over 350 CWT's in my collection. Most (okay, almost all) don't look as nice as yours do! ;)
I do have about 20 uncs. I will try to get some pics. up next week. I have a George Washington/Marthia Washington token that is at NGC right now, it is said to be the token used as a plate in the Fuld book on Civil War tokens!!! It is unc. too, and an R-9. ;D
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Well I have over 350 CWT's in my collection. Most (okay, almost all) don't look as nice as yours do! ;)
I do have about 20 uncs. I will try to get some pics. up next week. I have a George Washington/Marthia Washington token that is at NGC right now, it is said to be the token used as a plate in the Fuld book on Civil War tokens!!! It is unc. too, and an R-9. ;D
350 of them ???...........that not a collection, that's a hoard :D
Sounds very cool. Can't wait to see a few of them.
George Washington/Marthia Washington token R9........would LOVE to see it :)
Stefanie
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LoL :D yeah, well I figure there are ONLY like 10,000 different ones to buy, and I'm young enough, so I'll just go for all of 'em!!! ;D
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LoL :D yeah, well I figure there are ONLY like 10,000 different ones to buy, and I'm young enough, so I'll just go for all of 'em!!! ;D
So true......you have age on your side :D
But, it sounds like you have an amazing collection already :)
btw........what got you interested in CWT's?
Do you collect HTT's or Merchant cards?
Stefanie
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Beautiful tokens... I need one of those little Indian ones... I think it is beautiful and it is certified too?
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I still did not get to post my pics. like I said I would :(
But check out my 1798 large cent under "Grandpa's cent" :)
I got into collecting CWTs for a few reasons. I enjoy learning about the Civil War, I had a family member fight for both sides in the war, I like to collect outside of the main stream numismatic areas. All Buffalo nickels have the same design, but CWTs are very different. Plus I can find rare tokens that the seller does not know are rare. It's like buying a 1916-D dime for the silver value!
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I have a few CWT's. Hi, Dan, Stefanie, Aidan, et al. Seems like a great site, Stefanie. Thanks for the invite. : )
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Larrymo123/ArmyNavyCWT1024.jpg)
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Someone should invite CWTokenman who posts up on www.cointalk.com/forum (http://www.cointalk.com/forum) .
Aidan.
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(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Larrymo123/DrueckerCWTSCWI680A-1a1024.jpg)
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Larry,
That's a very nice 1c. trader's currency token that you've got there.
I can guess that this is from Wisconsin.Am I right?
Aidan.
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Good guess, Aidan.
It is a U.S. Civil War Store Card.
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Larry,
To me,the term 'store card' implies that it wasn't used as currency.
I use the term 'trader's currency token',as this was obviously in circulation as if it was a 1c. coin,being the same size.
Aidan.
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U.S. Civil War Store Cards and Patriotic Tokens were certainly 'trader's currency,' often called merchant tokens. We have a Civil War Token Society that determines proper terminology for use in America regarding these tokens. Merchants and 'traders' are the same, everywhere, including New Zealand and the UK. The word 'card' indicates advertising. It has no bearing on whether the piece could circulate. Money was so scarce that any coin-type object with intrinsic value could circulate.
Patriotic Civil War Tokens were 'generics,' offered in trade by merchants who had not arranged for individualized dies to be manufactured for them.
And every Conder Token, whether intended for circulation or for collectors, is classified in the same manner, as a 'token,' because it could easily circulate in place of coin of the realm during times of shortage in genuine government-issued coinage.
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This thread is devoloping into something interesting 8)
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This thread is devoloping into something interesting 8)
For once I started something good! ;)
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Its always good when it comes to CWT's ;D
Heres a common but fun error
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That's a very nice spelling mistake - 'SPOOT' instead of 'SPOT'.
That is interesting to see the French word for 10 - Dix on a U.S. currency token.You would expect to see that on a Confederate States of America 1c. currency token,especially one from Louisiana.
Aidan.
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Among the best-known varieties of patriotic tokens are the so-called "Dix tokens." They are named for John Adams Dix, who served as Secretary of the Treasury in 1861. In a letter from Dix to a revenue cutter captain, Lieutenant Caldwell, he orders Caldwell to relieve another cutter captain of his command for refusing an order to transfer from New Orleans to New York. The letter ends with the following sentence: "If any one attempts to haul down the American flag, shoot him on the spot." The quote found its way to a number of patriotic tokens, albeit with a slightly modified wording ("haul down" is usually replaced by "tear it down").
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_War_token (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_War_token)
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Here's a nice Civil War Store Card. The engraving firm of Mossin & Marr manufactured this token. Like a few other companies that had specialized in metal signage, they added to production of tokens, which were private coinage. John Marr was the actual die sinker. The reverse (on the right here) is not found on any patriotic tokens. : )
This token has a few aspects which I have enjoyed:
• Indian Chief, with hair, feathers and diamond shapes
• Milwaukee, Wis.
• Die sinker's signature, Marr
• 1863 date
• Hardware: hammer, hatchet, shovel, saw
• "Don't Despair," funny
• Nice lettering
• Well struck on both sides
• Wonderful dentils, rims and edge
• Great color, with glorious natural toning
• Exemplary detail in amazing mint condition
This example is graded MS-64 RB by NGC, but it looks much better to me. ; )
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/Larrymo123/MyBestCivilWarTokenPhotoEver58.jpg)
NOTE: The obverse of a Civi War Store card is determined to be the side that identifies the merchant.
Sometimes both sides name a merchant. In those few cases, other factors were used to determine which
would be catalogued as the obverse.
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Nice ones so far .......lets keep it going :)
1863
Our Little Monitor
F-237/423a
Copper
NGC MS64......not sure why they didn't grade it a Red/Brown though
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u312/coinarefun/Tokens/ce7310b9.jpg)