When is a Conder token part of US Colonial Coinage?

[coinsarefun]

When its a 1795 1/2P Wash Grate, Lg But, RE
Recent pickup re-holdered and imaged by PCGS 

PCGS MS64 BN







Does anyone else have some tokens that are Colonials?

Lets see some 

[Conderluva]

Nice token, Stef!  I'd post a pic but, unfortunately I don't have any conders that overlap with US colonial series.

[BCNumismatics]

Stefanie,
  No Conder currency tokens are part of the American colonial series.

The last colonial American coin is the Virginian 1/2 Penny (1/2d.) dated 1773.

The first Conder currency tokens were not struck until around 1787 - 11 years after the U.S.A. became independent outside the British Empire.

Aidan.

[coinsarefun]

Stefanie,
  No Conder currency tokens are part of the American colonial series.

The last colonial American coin is the Virginian 1/2 Penny (1/2d.) dated 1773.

The first Conder currency tokens were not struck until around 1787 - 11 years after the U.S.A. became independent outside the British Empire.

Aidan.

Hi Adian, check PCGS registry or Coin Facts
mine is ontheir front page of US colial tokens

[mmarotta]

Not a coin I own, but I found this cited in two websites.
"The End of Pain / The Wrongs of Man" a political token jabbing at the death of Thomas Paine.

We know his "Common Sense" and "The Crisis." He also wrote The Rights of Man articulating radical republicanism based on Enlightenment ideas of natural law. In The Age of Reason he questioned revealed religion.  A 100 years later, President Theodore Roosevelt called him "a filthy little atheist."

Tom Pilitowski, US Rare Coin Investments has a nice write-up about Thomas Paine, but not much about the token he is selling. 

However. ANA member Michael Swoveland's website provides more details about his offering.  He acknowledges, the D&H attribution to Middlesex, Spence's, and shows his as a half penny 1793 NGC MS-63 BN D&H - 833a. MANUFACTURER: Peter Kimpson. 

Swoveland says that  Spence was a republican and not likely to lampoon Paine, so he doubts Dalton & Hamer on the origin of the coin.

[Conderluva]

Here's a more detailed breakdown on the End of Pain tokens.  Pictures included.  (BTW, I'm not saying that these are US colonials or that they should be considered such. I'm just elaborating on the topic of End of Pain tokens.)

Middlesex 829-830 are said to be the products of John G. Hancock and John Stubbs Jorden both of Birmingham.  D.W Dykes published an article in the 2001 British Numismatic Journal entitled, John Stubbs Jorden, Die-Sinker and Medallist, in which he says that notes found in an original copy of Denton's & Prattent's Virtuosos’ Companion (circa 1795 updated 1797) indicate both men had a hand in making the token….as a kind of ““joke””.  The decorative boarders on these pieces are composed of pointing hands and beads.  The 'pandora's breeches' reverse die for 829 broke soon after manufacturing began (hence the die crack present on virtually all 829's seen.)   Dykes states that the ‘The 'May the Knave' reverse was then created in and used in it's place to make Middlesex 830.
829a
830a


827-828 are believed the product of Paul Skidmore (whose first name was previously believed to be 'Peter' until shown otherwise in another D.W. Dykes article, 'Peter' Skidmore: The Man Who Never Was.  published in CTCC Journal #55, Spring 2010.

827 and 828 both share the same crudely made obverse, which is clearly a copy of the obverse seen on 829-830.  The reverse of 828, "Little Turnstile" is from a Spence die.  However, considering the political leanings of Spence and the fact that Paul Skidmore had purchased many of Spence's dies around 1796....828 is more likely a product of Skidmore. 
827
828

831 is also possibly another Skidmore copy of Hancocks and Jorden's original 830.
831a

As for 833, I’m not sure.  Kempson or Skidmore I suppose.  A. Waters wrote that all from 831-838  (except 836) were Kempson’s but that has since been proved unlikely.   It is at least believed to have been made before Spence got into making tokens….so not him.
833a

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Somewhere I have notes on 834-835 also being products of Paul Skidmore.  Not sure where at the moment but am certain I have them.  For now let it suffice that token specialist and expert, Peter Preston-Morely, catalogs them with such description.
834
835

836 is a 'forgery' by William Till - DH says struck sometime in the 1830s-1840s.  I've read about it possibly being as late as 1860.
836
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Lastly, 837-838 are typically attributed to Kempson.  The reason being I believe is that the die used to create the obverse of 837 and 838 also appears on two other mules (where it is then considered a reverse) and is paired with differing obverse dies manufactured by Kempson (Newgate Halfpenny  - Middlesex 397 and  Birimingham Halfpenny - Warwickshire 55.)  The reverse die ‘A Way To Prevent Knaves…’also appears on mules Hampshire 22, Middlesex 1013, and Warwickshire 56,   all of which use obverse dies that are also attributed to Kempson.   
837
838

[coinsarefun]

Wow Conderluva,you have some great Conders there

[jesbroken]

Wow, Conderluva, what a group of Conder''s!!! I am impressed.    Thanks for sharing.
Jim

[BCNumismatics]

Those are amazing coins that you have got there.

Aidan.

[Larry]

Thanks for the look at a great bunch of Conder Tokens and the information about them, Mike.  : )

It's great to see such an extensive group from your series in one place.
As a group, the quality is marvelous.  : )

And super photos, too.  : )

I believe I'll hang around.